# The Healthy Way to Think About Feminism | Real Talk ft. Tesneem Alkiek

**Author:** Dr. Tesneem Alkiek
**Series:** Real Talk Series
**Published:** 2026-01-08
**YouTube:** https://youtu.be/6qbCTwhuUQs
**URL:** https://yaqeeninstitute.org/watch/series/real-talk-series/the-healthy-way-to-think-about-feminism-real-talk-ft-tesneem-alkiek
**Topics:** Allah, Faith, Family & Community, Marriage

## Description
Social media is built to be addictive. It harms our mental health and damages our self-worth. We all know this...but it's still so hard to disconnect. Join Dr. Tesneem Alkiek and host Qaanitah Hunter to explore the dangers (and some of the benefits) that social media adds to our lives and learn...

## Chapters
- 0:00 Introduction: The Feminist Debate
- 0:40 Defining Feminism and Its Challenges
- 1:22 Islam and Feminism: Are They Compatible?
- 1:43 Gender Antagonism and Power Dynamics
- 3:22 Personal Experiences and Attitudes
- 5:04 Solutions and Optimism
- 19:50 Conclusion: Building Community and Sisterhood

## Transcript
**[0:00]** You're either a feminist or you're not.

**[0:16]** Why do we get stuck in these debates? You know what's worse than getting stuck with these labels? Is losing sight of a good, productive conversation because of it. Which is why we need to talk about it.

**[0:40]** Can I be a Muslim and be a feminist? See, I know what you want me to do here. What you want me to say is 100% yes or 100% no. And what I find to be a challenge is to give a blanket condemnation. Why?

**[0:55]** Because no one agrees what feminism is. And I think this is the catch. I think most, I mean, me and most Muslim women, when they say feminism, they're referring to just basic equal rights, right? They're saying, you know, we want to be treated in a certain way, we have certain expectations,

**[1:14]** but it's usually very minimal understanding. So to me, to come out and say, alright, 100% feminism is the worst thing to happen to this world doesn't make sense when we can't agree on what feminism is. But can you just tell me whether Islam is at odds with feminism or not?

**[1:31]** You know what I think is more helpful than that? Okay. Let's talk about some principles that are inherently at odds with Islam. Let me give you an example. I think this is a feminist principle, I think, across a wide range of different types of

**[1:46]** feminism. And it's the idea that you're gender antagonistic. No one puts it that way. Wait, so men and women are at each other all the time? Men and women are at each other, but it's a little deeper than that, right? There's sort of like this meta-narrative, this big idea, really, that men, as they exist,

**[2:06]** exist with some type of power in this world, right? They've got that privileged power. And essentially, there's like a binary. Men are oppressors and women are oppressed. Is that not the case? That male dominance, it permeates at every level, and it does so at the expense of women. So anytime I'm interacting with a man, the opposite gender, right?

**[2:24]** Anytime I'm interacting with a man, the assumption is that there's a power imbalance, and therefore, that power is used in a way that is oppressive to me at some level, right? Even if it's a microaggression, even if it's at a very minimal level. But isn't that true? Tell me more.

**[2:39]** I can think of countless stories from my, I've experienced, my friends have experienced, and I'm sure you've experienced, where essentially, women have been at the mercy of men. It's like, it's there. That's not going away, right?

**[2:55]** Things are not going to change overnight like that. But then why not just jump ship? So I think this is the problem, right? Because I think that what has happened is almost like the other extreme. So now, how is that solving anything? No, you're answering like a politician. I'm going to give you the political answer, right?

**[3:11]** Because like, tell me how that solves anything, because what I see, this gender antagonism, number one, it's creating problems in the family. It's creating problems in the workplace. It's creating problems like in sort of this day-to-day life. So I'm going to stop you here, because you think, yes, our lived experience as women

**[3:27]** is valid, but actually, we mustn't go all the way to feminism. What I'm saying is that I don't find in this particular way of thinking, like, I don't see what the solution is. Because now, fine, I see the oppression in, like, let's entertain this idea, right?

**[3:43]** Men are in power, therefore, they're oppressive, and therefore, like, that permeates at every level of my interaction. You know what's going to happen? In the workplace, at school, in like even your social sphere, any sort of discomfort, any sort of interaction, you're going to want to withdraw.

**[4:00]** Like, what does it do for me if I think that I'm forever oppressed, right? What does it do for me that I think that a man has power and is going, and does, right? But if I'm stuck in that mindset, like, there's nothing we can do to change this reality, or there is, but it's entirely more complicated, to me, I just think, like, even the emotional,

**[4:21]** like, tax that it takes on me, right? I'm more stressed, I'm angrier, I'm resentful, and it's creating, it's furthering this gendered polarization, right? But are you asking me to just gaslight myself to be like, no, it's okay, it exists, but it's fine? No, no, no, no, no, right?

**[4:36]** And I think that's important. I think maybe you are. Absolutely not, believe me. I'm, okay, I'm the first person to shut down something that I think is wrong, right? I'm the first person to speak up when I think things need to change. So it's not like, oh, just pretend like nothing is happening. Absolutely not, right?

**[4:52]** I think, again, though, it's this just, even if it's a mental shift, to say that, wait a minute, what's it like to approach these problems, solution for these problems? We're not denying they exist, we're not saying don't do anything about it, but how would that look different?

**[5:08]** If I come back and say, you know what, we're all on the same team. What if I took sort of this concept, al-mu'minun wa al-mu'minat ba'duhum awliya' ba'd that believing men and women are allies of one another. Like, how does that shift how I approach these things? Entirely different. If I'm coming back and saying, like, we're one ummah, we're in this together, we have

**[5:26]** that vision, that we want to, you know, access the truth and spread the truth, then to me, it's like even the way we solution is not as resentful and I think it's a lot more productive. But then why do I have to fight my way into places of faith?

**[5:43]** Masajid? Listen, you don't have to fight your way anywhere, right? You have to fight your way into the workplace, you have to fight your way into schools, you have to, like— But why are you saying that's okay? I'm not saying it's okay. I'm saying you need, like, the attitude that we have when we're approaching this stuff is what's important. I'll give you an example, right?

**[6:00]** Growing up, I was always told, like, I was like, you know what, I want to be a Muslim scholar, I want to be a—like, whatever. Well, the female part wasn't there, I didn't think it was that big of a deal. It's a big deal. It's a big deal, right? And you know how many people told me, they're like, well, it's a man's world, good luck with that. Like, how are you going to get into these spaces—

**[6:15]** But they were not lying. They were not lying, but I'll tell you what happened. I'm on this journey, and had I had that negative attitude, right, where, like, these men are just trying to keep me out, that would have gotten me nowhere. Because you know what, I didn't have that attitude, and I can't tell you the number

**[6:31]** of men— Like, I would have just withdrawn, I wouldn't have tried to engage with male scholars, I would have just kind of like, I'm finding my own way, I'm not bothering with you, right? Because that would have been my attitude, that's how it would have translated. But this was my attitude, no, no, no, like, I want to learn from these people, and I don't care if, like, you know, sort of what I was told.

**[6:50]** I cannot tell you, I've lost count of the number of male scholars who have opened countless doors for me. Like, to the point where I'll have male colleagues, right, I'll have people who are doing the same thing. They recognize my seriousness, and they will open opportunities that I didn't know, like,

**[7:07]** I even had access to. Like, I was invited to private classes, right? Not private one-on-one, but group classes that were actually, like, secret group classes, for select students in the community. I was invited to certain, like, told, you need to go to this conference, tell me how I can support you, I'll write you all your reference letters, I will get you there, right?

**[7:24]** Like, these men went out of their way for my experience, and to this day I have that experience. But what would have happened if I was just like, I'm not going to engage, right? I'm going to withdraw, I'm going to assume that they want the worst for me. And I get it. I don't think that's every single person, and I'm trying to stay, like—

**[7:40]** You could possibly just be a lucky one. I would like to think that optimism is very important and healthy for all of us, and I think that everyone should have that type of optimism. So you talk about being allies of one another. Men and women should be allies of one another. What does that look like? I'll tell you what it looks like.

**[7:58]** It's got this shared vision, we're working together for something. Actually, I'll tell you what it doesn't look like. It doesn't mean you don't hold each other accountable. It's not like a free pass. Because it could be interpreted as, we live in a man's world, accept it and keep it moving. Exactly. That's not what I'm saying, right?

**[8:13]** Let's just plaster the whole thumbnail with, disclaimer, not what I'm saying, right? What I'm not saying is just accept your abuse or oppression or whatever you're experiencing or the negative experiences. What I'm saying is that, again, it's this attitude shift. We need to hold each other accountable.

**[8:29]** That's inherently part of Islam, right? Think about the fact that the Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ), in a hadith says, unsur akhaka zaliman aw mazluman Save your brother whether they are an oppressor or oppressed. And the companions of the Prophet (ﷺ) ask him, what do you mean oppressor or oppressed?

**[8:45]** Why would we take the side of our brother who is an oppressor? We don't do that, right? And the Prophet (ﷺ) says, well, no, no, if they are oppressing other people, then you correct them. You bring them back to course, right? That's inherent to our tradition, right?

**[9:01]** No type of oppression is happening at any level. When I think of the example of the woman who corrects Umar al-Khattab (رضي الله عنه), he's caliph at the time, it's after the Prophet (ﷺ) passes away. And he's giving a Jumu'ah khutbah.

**[9:18]** The long story short is that he goes up and says that you women, you're asking for too much of a mahr. Your dowry is a little too high, you really need to stop doing that, right? Was it a problem at the time? It was a problem at the time, women were asking for higher mahr, right?

**[9:35]** And so khutbah ends and a woman gets up and says, okay, so do we listen to you or do we listen to the book of Allah? And Umar (رضي الله عنه) right away was like, of course the book of Allah, like Kitab Allah, right? The Quran. And then she says, well, there's an ayah in the Quran, wa ataytum ihdahunna qintaran

**[9:51]** that you gave one of these women, it's describing the dowry that's given to a woman, and the word qintar is used, qintar represents a vast amount of money. So she's like, well, the Quran didn't come out and condemn it, it was just acknowledging that this was a norm.

**[10:06]** And then Umar al-Khattab (رضي الله عنه), like he receives that news, he's like, kullu ahadin afqahu min Umar like everyone, he repeats it, like everyone is more knowledgeable than Umar, like he puts his hand up and automatically acknowledges that she was right and he was wrong. But she didn't hesitate to hold him to account.

**[10:22]** But this was Amir al-Mu'minin, right? If you go to a scholar today and you say, listen, what you're saying is wrong, you think you're going to get the same response? All right, I'm going to give the hot take now. Are you ready? Are you ready? My hot take is that you can't change everyone.

**[10:39]** And people you know you cannot change, don't waste your energy. Is that too hot? Is that too hot? That's too hot. I mean, like, OK, let me give you an example, right? Because listen, at the end of the day, is it like, are there valid differences? Number one, on whatever issue you're debating, are there, is there a valid difference of

**[10:56]** opinion? OK, let me give you an example. Some schools of law say that when you're reading the Quran, you have to cover your hair. I follow the opinion. I follow the opinion that you don't have to cover your hair. I've gone into so many debates about this where it's like, no, no, no, you have to cover

**[11:12]** your hair. And I'm like, and I wasted, I wasted so much energy just being so passionate about it. I think it's a difference of opinion. And realistically, almost every situation is going to have sort of like a multitude of opinions. Right? So sometimes, and I think even like this is missed, sometimes it's just like, you know

**[11:31]** what? I don't agree with that opinion. And in fact, I feel very strongly about it, but I'm not going to direct my energy trying to change your mind about it. Because at the end of the day, what does that tell me? That just tells me that I want everyone to think exactly like me. Right? Tasneem, that's a low stakes example because it doesn't affect anyone.

**[11:46]** Whether you wear a scarf or you don't wear a scarf, it's, I mean, it's not consequential at the end of the day. It's easy not to expend energy on that. But what happens to differences of opinion on serious things, on people's opinions that actually obstruct my participation in a community or accessing

**[12:03]** places of faith. You ready for my hot take to get hotter? Oh gosh. Okay, let me give you a better example. There is a valid difference of opinion on whether a woman goes to the masjid.

**[12:19]** Whether I, I feel passionately about one opinion, and I'm sure it's clear which opinion I feel passionate about. That, you know, this becomes crystallized almost in the Hanafi madhhab that women don't need to be at the masjid and then you have like the rise of masajid that don't accommodate women.

**[12:35]** But then I, I, like, I wonder what... Please, like, there can't be a but to that. There can't be a but to that. Well, actually, you know, there's an important interjection here. Right. Because I think, historically speaking, masajid were spaces for prayer and prayer only. Okay. Over time, and especially in the United States,

**[12:53]** I guess sort of like more Western countries, non-Muslim majority countries, what ends up happening is the masjid becomes something so much more than a masjid. It's a community space. It becomes a place where you go for halaqas, it's a place where you go to find, like, Muslim sisters and brothers,

**[13:08]** and a space to connect. So I think, for better or for worse, these conversations are not happening in sync with one another. And so when schools, when, you know, some scholars came back and said, like, no, women shouldn't be going to the masjid, their conception of a masjid is not what we conceive of a masjid today,

**[13:24]** at least for me in the United States, right? Yeah. We don't think of a masjid as literally a place you go pray and leave, right? That's not what we do. And so I think there's a lot of conversation that needs to happen around it. But like, fine, we can say your opinion is X, Y, Z, whatever it is. I strongly disagree with it.

**[13:40]** I can tell you all of my evidence. I can play that game. But if there's a masjid that feels strongly about this, and you know that's not going to change, you know that no matter what you say, and in fact, you've said it all. You've been there. You've pushed and you've pushed and you've pushed,

**[13:56]** and nothing has changed. I think it's time to look at other solutions. Why can't we be more creative and just think, you know, I'm going to create a third space. I'm going to host a halaqa at my house. I'm going to go to another masjid community at the end of the day. Are you telling people to give up?

**[14:11]** No, absolutely not, right? Again, I don't think we need to be settling. I have a vision that one day every masjid will accommodate women. I can hold that vision, and that is not antithetical to my desire to pick my battles, right? You know there's always that one person in the community,

**[14:28]** male or female. There's always that one board, whether it's all men or not, or a mix of men and women, that are just not going to change their minds in this regard. And you know it and you've experienced it. This is not like a one time, like I gave it a shot and now I quit, right? But there are certain experiences that you have, and it's like, all right, now it's time to solution, right?

**[14:46]** Let's explore what it would look like. How can I create that space for us as sisters? I'm going, and then we solution for like, what does a third space look like? What does it mean to have that community of sisterhood that that masjid doesn't accommodate, but I'm going to start solutioning, and I'm not going to get stuck in this attitude like,

**[15:03]** what's the point? This is why I don't go to the masjid. This is why I withdraw. This is why I don't engage. Like that's still like, I don't find a solution in that. So I guess the risk is of getting stuck into that vortex of just fighting and fighting and fighting and going nowhere. Exactly, right? I think that it's just a matter of like,

**[15:19]** where do you want to put energy? How can we be the most productive? That's what I'm thinking about. And I think again, it's just like this reality that if everyone thought exactly like me, what's the point of this world, really? And it reminds me of the example of Umar al-Khattab (رضي الله عنه).

**[15:35]** There's a group of women who are with the Prophet (ﷺ). These stories just really make you love the Prophet (ﷺ) even more. So you want to say them. Group of women are with him, and they're having a conversation. They're asking their questions. They're doing what they need to do. Umar al-Khattab (رضي الله عنه) shows up at the door. And these women hear,

**[15:50]** Umar al-Khattab (رضي الله عنه) is here. So what do they do? Scatter, right? They go right behind a barrier, like a full hijab, so that they can't be seen by Umar al-Khattab (رضي الله عنه). Why? So he walks in, and Umar al-Khattab (رضي الله عنه) says salam to the Prophet (ﷺ),

**[16:08]** and the Prophet (ﷺ) is smiling really hard. And he's like, may Allah make you always happy. Like, yeah, Rasulullah, let me enjoy what you're enjoying. And he said, we had a group of women here, and they scattered when they found that you're here because of who Umar al-Khattab (رضي الله عنه) was.

**[16:24]** He was so stern and tough. And they were scared of him, right? And he finds out, he screams, he's like, oh, you enemies of yourselves. You fear me and not the Prophet of Allah (ﷺ), right? Like, a lot of people have this type of deep haya,

**[16:40]** this deep, like, this fear, like, out of respect, right? You're the Prophet of Allah. Why are you doing it to me? And so Umar al-Khattab (رضي الله عنه) is like very upset about this. And the Prophet (ﷺ) says, listen, you're walking on a road, and Shaytan's walking on a road. You better believe Shaytan's gonna take another road.

**[16:56]** Because even Satan is afraid of you, right? And so I think that to me, like, the Prophet of Allah (ﷺ) didn't tell him, no, no, you can't be like this. And the Prophet, and Umar al-Khattab (رضي الله عنه), of course, didn't tell the Prophet (ﷺ), that like, you gotta toughen up, right? There are different personalities

**[17:11]** that you're gonna have to deal with. You're always going to have to interact with different personalities. So some people can be completely straightforward. Some people will beat around the bush. Some people be easy to deal with, and some people very, very hard, right? And so I think that like a lot of this comes, again, comes back to our attitude. It's not gonna be easy.

**[17:28]** There's a lot of work we need to do. We've got to make differences, changes, especially when those opinions might affect our placement in the community. But I'm very, very optimistic, and I think there's still so much we can do and accomplish. But there has to be a sustaining environment for that, no?

**[17:45]** There does, and I think we have that responsibility, right? Like, I'm inspired by the story of Fatima al-Samarqandiyya, right? She's the daughter of the very, very famous Hanafi scholar Samarqandi, right? They were known because they were this scholarly duo,

**[18:02]** like he had trained his daughter, that anytime someone asked for a fatwa from him or their household, it would always get signed by both her and her father, right? Double signing. She ends up marrying his most famous student,

**[18:17]** who was also a very famous scholar in the Hanafi madhhab, al-Kasani. And after they get married, it was said that not a single fatwa would go out except it would be signed off by three people, her, her husband, and her father. And no, she wasn't just signing off fatwas

**[18:33]** that had to do with women's issues. What? I know, right? She was issuing fatwas in every regard, right? That's the vision that I have, that she had this, number one, had that access to scholarship from who? From her father, from the men in her life,

**[18:49]** and was able to then contribute on equal footing after that. And like, I think about the number of times I'm in a room and I'm the only female representative in that room. Is that your story? Because that's my story. That's your story. So you know exactly what it feels like. And I could be like,

**[19:04]** of course, I'm the only token woman. And of course, like, there's a male-only panel, of course, like, these men, right? I could do that. Yeah. But I can also choose to stay in the room and give back and have that optimistic vision that, no, no, no, it's only me today.

**[19:21]** You know what? In a few years, in five or 10 years, it's going to be half this room. It's going to be, you know, another 10 people. It's going to be 70. Like, I can remain optimistic. Like, they're not mutually exclusive, where you have to sort of like resign back and just accept what it is. At the same time, I can be optimistic

**[19:37]** and have, again, push back against that desire to be like, to be pessimistic about the situation and keep this vision that Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala has for us, that we are allies of one another. But let's be practical here. What can I do?

**[19:53]** You know, I think this is important, right? It's like, okay, well, now I'm stuck in this situation. I'm really excluded out of my masjid. There's no women allowed or whatever, whatever, you know, problem you're having. There's a long list. Let's pull out like the scroll of problems. Which are legitimate. Which are legitimate. We're not gaslighting anyone. Absolutely, right?

**[20:09]** They're legitimate. Yeah. I'm laughing because I'm making that scroll. That's my life story, right? And so I think sometimes the reality is like, what, maybe at this moment in time, your focus is on building sisterhood. Because that's so, so important, right?

**[20:24]** It's building a community of sisters. But so you're not saying just gaslight yourself, move past your experiences with some men. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. But I think that what will get you past those experiences and get you motivated again is having a really strong community of sisters. I think of the example of ribat.

**[20:41]** Now, ribat, historically were these places that were used for almost as third spaces, right? A lot of times for people who are traveling, used for education. Like all the way back. We're talking hundreds of years ago, women were endowing or contributing or running.

**[20:58]** With their own money. With their own money. Wow. Women were running these places as a third space to educate women, to provide shelters, a safe space, like modern shelters do, right? For these women. As a place for cultural education.

**[21:15]** It was a multi-purpose place just for women. I think to myself, like, what if we had that today, right? Just a space for us to come together, to grow, to learn together, to connect with one another, to pray together. Like to me, sometimes we dismiss them because it's like, well, this is sort of like the backup

**[21:31]** because we couldn't get into the masjid. No, no, no. Own it. Own it and be proud of it. Like this is our space. So this modern ribat, what could it look like? It could be just like we built third spaces today. It could be for women only. It could be a space that you create in your own home for other women, right?

**[21:47]** Where again, you're using it as an educational space, a cultural space, a place to give women if they're traveling, like, we can be creative about this. It could be a financial, like, learning session for women. Because at the end of the day, sisterhood for the sake of Allah isn't just you come together and pray.

**[22:04]** It's about being there for one another. And you see this in so many different ahadith. You see this in ahadith that you go out of your way. You do something for your brother or sister for the sake of Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala. Like that is about building your love and connection for Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala.

**[22:20]** And that's something that is praiseworthy. So Tasneem, let's settle it. Are you a feminist? No. After all that, no, I can confidently say I'm not. Come on, then why not just condemn feminism? So the reason why I don't condemn it

**[22:35]** is because I know for myself, I'm confident in my response. I'm very familiar with radical feminism, very familiar with materialist, liberal, intersectional, sort of all of these major waves and movements. And so I can confidently come back and say that,

**[22:52]** no, no, no, like, this is not what I agree with. And, you know, they have underlying premises that are at odds with Islam. But I think about, and I think these are clips that go viral. Like, we condemn feminism. Like, this is the worst thing to happen in this world. Like, to me, I'm thinking about the average Muslim

**[23:08]** who just says I'm feminist because they want to go to a masjid. I'm feminist because I just want inheritance rights. Like, we're talking basic requests here, right? And I don't want to alienate or shut down that person because their understanding of feminism. So, right, there's just,

**[23:24]** there's way too many definitions out there. There are way too many different understandings. So my, I think it's productive. Let's talk about one by one, why, what, you know, every premise, why it's a problem and what Islam says about it. And so I can confidently come back and say no. But again, it's that bigger picture of like,

**[23:40]** what are we talking about here? So you're saying you're not a feminist, but that's not the point. Let's not lose sight of what that even means. Like, feminist or not a feminist. Let's talk about the meat of the conversation. Which is building community, building spaces for sisterhood, and nurturing what you actually are in control of.

**[23:58]** Exactly. Does any of this resonate with you? Let us know in the comments. Thanks for watching!

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- [What if it's Not a Gender War? | Real Talk ft. Dr. Tesneem Alkiek](https://yaqeeninstitute.org/watch/series/real-talk-series/what-if-its-not-a-gender-war-real-talk-ft-dr-tesneem-alkiek.md)
- [Why is Marriage So Complicated? | SERIES PREMIERE | Real Talk ft. Dr. Tesneem Alkiek](https://yaqeeninstitute.org/watch/series/real-talk-series/why-is-marriage-so-complicated-series-premiere-real-talk-ft-dr-tesneem-alkiek.md)
- [LET’S CHAT | First impressions, Hijab, Highschool Awkwardness | New Series with Dr Tesneem Alkiek](https://yaqeeninstitute.org/watch/series/real-talk-series/lets-chat-first-impressions-hijab-highschool-awkwardness.md)
- [Trailer | Real Talk with Dr. Tesneem Alkiek and Qaanitah Hunter](https://yaqeeninstitute.org/watch/series/real-talk-series/trailer-real-talk-with-dr-tesneem-alkiek-and-qaanitah-hunter.md)
