# Injustice Won't Stop Us: Mahmoud Khalil with Dr. Omar Suleiman | Gaza Diaries

**Author:** Dr. Omar Suleiman
**Series:** Gaza Diaries with Dr. Omar Suleiman
**Published:** 2025-09-18
**YouTube:** https://youtu.be/YIPgIho3E5Y
**URL:** https://yaqeeninstitute.org/watch/series/gaza-diaries/injustice-wont-stop-us-mahmoud-khalil-with-dr-omar-suleiman-gaza-diaries
**Topics:** Politics & Practical Theology, Psychology & Mental Health, Social Justice, Trauma

## Description
Activist Mahmoud Khalil sits down with Dr. Omar Suleiman to share what kept him grounded through months in ICE detention for protesting the genocide in Gaza. From seeing “Allah” etched on a cell wall to hearing that strangers made du’a for him daily, Mahmoud reflects on faith, courage, and the...

## Transcript
**[0:00]** Alhamdulillah, first of all, I think I speak on behalf of the entire community when I say Alhamdulillah wa salamah, we are happy to have you out.

**[0:17]** There are people in this audience and there are people that watch you online that were making du'a for you. And so when we are talking about the intimate prayers and how prayer unites the believers,

**[0:32]** there are people 8-10,000 miles away that are making du'a for them by name and there is a connection. All of that is going up to Allah. There are people in this room that you have never met that would see your face and would pray for you and cry for you.

**[0:48]** And that is the beauty of this ummah. I want to share with you something off the bat. I was going to share this with you backstage because I didn't want to just put this before you but I will share it with you. 48 hours ago, I was sitting with Liqaa Kurdiya in her prison in Prairieland Detention Center

**[1:08]** and she told me, wallahi she said this, she said, every Salatul Fajr, I make du'a for Mahmoud by name, for Rumaysa by name, for Badr Khan by name, and everyone who was put in the prison like I was.

**[1:24]** And she said, even though they've been freed and I'm still in prison, I make du'a for them every Salatul Fajr. So there's a woman, subhanAllah, sitting in a prison cell that you now know what that life is like in those ICE detention centers that makes du'a for you every morning at

**[1:40]** Salatul Fajr. What does it feel like to be a part of the ummah of Muhammad (ﷺ) when you were penalized for protesting for the most hurting part of that ummah?

**[1:56]** Like, what does that kind of bring to you when you meet people, when you see just average people who you know were praying for you the way that they would pray for one of their own siblings or one of their own sons? As-salamu alaykum everyone. Thank you so much, Shaykh Omar.

**[2:11]** And Allah yifraj al-Liqaa. It really pains me that, like, our sister is languishing in such conditions just for the crime of being Palestinian, just for the crime of opposing a genocide.

**[2:32]** And I still remember very, very vividly a few moments in my detention. One of them when Noor, my wife, would tell me, I think that was during Ramadan, that a lot of masajid and a lot of people around, not only the United States, but literally

**[2:50]** back in Palestine and in Syria, that they make du'a for me. And that made me emotional. That made me feel that I'm really part of something that's way bigger than myself.

**[3:07]** That kept me going. That made me feel that I can do this. And made me thank God for, you know, although I'm in this very difficult circumstance being

**[3:23]** separated from my family, but to see that there's so many people who care about you, who are keeping you in their thoughts, especially like with Liqaa.

**[3:39]** At one point I was in detention and they received a message that she's making du'a for me. And while in detention, like, there's so many things in your mind, and this is not one of

**[3:55]** them. But to make du'a for others and to just to find that someone is making the time and effort to do that is really, it's beyond description.

**[4:11]** And this is what being part of the ummah is. It's just like, you know that people have your back. I left behind me my wife, who was pregnant at that time.

**[4:27]** And what made it easier for me is just the support from the community, the support from everyone around the world. That's what made it easier for me to a huge degree. That kept me going, whether in my letters, in my writing, to connect it to Palestine,

**[4:47]** to go beyond myself, that this issue is not about me. It's about our people. Allah yabarak fikum. First of all, I want to say, you know, as much as subhanAllah, this is a way of us congratulating you, but mashaAllah, tabarak Allah, your wife is truly, nihsabuha imra'a saliha, a righteous

**[5:09]** woman that demonstrated such exemplary steadfastness through this all. Certainly praising Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala, standing and continuing to move forward. I think one of the most amazing things, subhanAllah, was when we had, there was a protest at Jena

**[5:27]** in front of your facility, when she'd come with your baby for the first time that day. She came out and led a free Palestine chant and then went back in with the protesters. And I thought that was deeply inspiring. So may Allah Azza wa Jalla bless her and reward her for her sacrifice and her struggle

**[5:46]** as well on your behalf. I know some of you are like thinking about giving her a round of applause. You can give her a round of applause inshaAllah. But, you know, to make this, I guess, give us a layer that maybe people won't get when

**[6:06]** they're seeing you being interviewed by MSNBC and CBS. I don't think Fox News interviewed you, but a bunch of other news channels and like you're going on all these shows and you're getting interview after interview after interview. I want to kind of go into the personal and what was going through your mind.

**[6:24]** First and foremost, what drove Mahmoud, an immigrant who's vulnerable because of your immigration status, to get involved with the protests in the first place? Did people back home tell you, hey, like, this is not a good idea.

**[6:40]** Deer baalak, khaleeq saakit, you know, stay quiet, stay out of the spotlight because of your education. Later on, you'll be in a position of strength. What drove you to actually get involved with the Columbia protests in the first place and what was going through your heart and your mind? Was there in any way the thought that maybe you're going to be harmed or penalized as

**[7:00]** a result of your advocacy for Palestine? I was raised in a household, like a Muslim household, where justice is one of the main pillars that I was really taught from being very, very young and that Islam is about justice.

**[7:22]** And Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala is always with the weak. And to me, to remain silent in a time where our people are being genocided is really not

**[7:37]** an option. I couldn't think that this could be an option. The risk was there, whether it's from, you know, like family members telling me, you know, like, just like stay silent. Why would you talk about that?

**[7:52]** This is what they want us to feel, to feel threatened, to feel that we can't speak up for the rights of our people. And that goes on and on, like not only about the rights of our people, but just like to talk about ourselves and about our needs.

**[8:08]** That's why I felt it's very important that I continue to do that. And one of the first things I did after release is to go to a protest, not for the sake of protesting, but more to send a message that we remain strong, that your attempts to silence

**[8:28]** us will not succeed no matter what you do. May Allah reward you, and I have to admit that like.

**[8:45]** I think I messaged your wife when you got out and I said, like, tell Mahmoud to take a break and you guys like enjoy, you know, you being home and being a dad for a week at least. And then the next day I saw you in a protest and I was like, it's just, you know, take my advice.

**[9:00]** No, I mean, they wanted people like to just fear protesting and fear speaking out. And, you know, I keep saying that the injustices against our people is not taking a break.

**[9:17]** So if like taking a break from war, that's that's my my position. And and I still stand by it. Like until Palestine is free, until we all live in freedom, we shouldn't take a break.

**[9:36]** There's no break from that. If I could take you to the moment that you were abducted. What was going through your mind, what are the first afkar that you made, what's the

**[9:54]** first du'a that you made, what were you thinking as you were thrown into that vehicle, like what's going through your mind in those first 30 minutes? I mean, mostly I was like concerned about Noor, my wife, like the last thing I heard

**[10:11]** before being like shoved into that car was ICE threatening to detain her. So I did not know whether they actually did detain her or she's out. And that came like I couldn't really stop thinking about about that fact for not only

**[10:32]** the 30 minutes, for the next like 36 hours until I was able to talk to her because they they blocked every kind of communication. They wouldn't allow me to call her, to call my lawyers, to see the news.

**[10:50]** But there's one thing, Shaykh, I think I've never said it publicly in the ICE detention hold cell in New York. Like I still at that point, I didn't know what what what I'm being charged with.

**[11:09]** If I'm getting deported immediately, if I'm going to jail, I didn't know anything. And it was so stressed. I was by myself in the hold cell in Federal Plaza in New York and I couldn't rest.

**[11:24]** I was very restless. And I was just staring at the wall and wallahi, looking at the wall, I saw. Like the word Allah.

**[11:40]** Someone like scratched it on the wall, like with their hands. And they just stared at the world, at that word. And that gave me so much hope. That moment, I just felt like so much courage that in this empty cell by myself at 12 a.m.

**[12:06]** Out of all cells and all walls, I can see this one centimeter, one inch where someone like with their hands, like they scratched like Allah, like very, very like unclear, but I can see it.

**[12:24]** And really that to me, like I was able to rest after. And when I saw the charge that I'm being charged as a foreign policy threat, that made me laugh like about like, you know, for the United States to see a person as a foreign policy threat and a national security threat.

**[12:48]** It's just a joke. You know, I was just talking about in the lecture Yusuf (alayhis salam), had he not seen the proof of his Lord and someone will actually say that Allah showed him a vision of his father or showed him like something like a writing that he saw.

**[13:08]** He actually saw some sort of burhan that reminded him in that moment. And you often hear this from people in prisons, subhanAllah, like some kind of vision or something that they saw. You know, I remember reading Babar Ahmed who wrote about his time in Guantanamo Bay and like I believe them, like subhanAllah, the stories that come from these prisoners of things that they see in their cell.

**[13:30]** That's very different. Like you don't know the story of the man that etched that that word in the wall or if it was even a man that etched that word in the wall or something else that Allah Azza wa Jalla was showing you in those moments. But inna Allaha ma'a as-sabireen, Allah is with the patient and these are these are messages that He sends to you.

**[13:52]** So I don't think that this is a layer that anyone's been introduced to you just yet with. Tell me about your spirituality when you're in a prison cell for these few months. What did it do with your relationship with Allah? How did you keep yourself going? What was your relationship like with the Qur'an?

**[14:09]** What was your salah like? What was your du'a like? Like what happened to your ibadah as a result of that? Those few months that you've mentioned the story of Sayyidina Yusuf (alayhis salam). And in prison I was so inspired by his story and I remember reading it once and more again in prison.

**[14:34]** Especially all the injustices that he went through and that the those in power like put him in jail for doing nothing wrong, for standing with what's right.

**[14:51]** At the age of 30. But there's one particular aspect of Sayyidina Yusuf's story is that he did not just do nothing in jail or in prison.

**[15:07]** He actually wanted to support his co-detainees around him. Wanted to make a meaning out of his suffering. And they were so inspired by it that I would really like just being inspired by that story, I would go to other inmates around me and ask how I can support.

**[15:33]** And I refused to just like wait for my fate and just sit and not do anything and wait until the court or the lawyers say or do any of that.

**[15:50]** And it was Ramadan when I was, I think it was the first week of Ramadan when I was kidnapped. And the first thing in jail, there's a very small Muslim community there.

**[16:06]** So I would say like 10% of all detainees. So we were about seven, eight Muslims in my dorm out of 70. And I was the only Arab there, like I was the only Arab in that.

**[16:26]** So I remember I would lead prayers there with everyone. I would help our brothers from Chechnya and from like ex-Soviet countries, Kazakhstan,

**[16:45]** Kyrgyzstan, would help them with Qur'an pronunciation. I remember like we would write Qur'an in English, like just like to help them out in pronunciation of Qur'an.

**[17:02]** And I mean, spiritually, you know, and I think I'm repeating it right now, but in such circumstances, you feel very invisible. You feel that the world like forgot about you

**[17:21]** and you need something to actually like keep you going. And that, of course, was just like my faith, my iman. And also, you know, just the stories of support,

**[17:41]** the outpouring support toward me from the world. You know, subhanAllah, I remember you writing down the du'as. You had a notebook and you were writing down the du'as to say in prison.

**[18:01]** What was your favorite du'a in prison? La ilaha illa anta subhanaka inni kuntu min adh-dhalimeen. And du'a Sayyidina Yunus (alayhis salam).

**[18:18]** And I'm not sure if people know the story, but literally a day before my release, Shaykh Omar visited me in detention. And that, I think, despite many like,

**[18:35]** I think it was rescheduled a couple of times. But subhanAllah, it happened that we met a day before my release. We had no idea whatsoever that, I think it was a Thursday when you visited me,

**[18:50]** but we had no idea that on Friday I may be released. Like the chances were very close to zero. And Shaykh Omar told me about his time visiting Dr. Badr in Texas

**[19:07]** and about the importance of du'a. And you started reciting some du'as and I would write them after you.

**[19:23]** And during that, I think it was less than 24 hours, I remember every hour or two I would recite the du'a of Sayyidina Yunus. Even at Fajr, I literally woke up in the middle of night and I recited it to myself.

**[19:44]** And subhanAllah, like the day after I was released. And if by anything, that made me believe more and more in the power of du'a, in the divine intervention in such moments.

**[20:04]** Ma da'a biha ahadun illa farraja Allahu 'anhu No one makes du'a with the du'a of Yunus (alayhis salam) except that Allah Azza wa Jalla relieves them. Something you mentioned about Yusuf (alayhis salam), one of the beauties of Yusuf (alayhis salam) is that when they saw him in prison, Allah Azza wa Jalla says,

**[20:20]** the prisoner said, inna naraka min al-muhsineen We see you to be from the good doers. That's the same sentence that is said to him when he is on the throne. inna naraka min al-muhsineen That his brothers say to him, we see you to be from the good doers, from the muhsineen.

**[20:38]** And in that, subhanAllah, is something very beautiful that Yusuf (alayhis salam), whether he was in a prison cell or he was the equivalent of a prime minister, he was in charge, he still emanated ihsan, he still cared about the people, he still showed excellence,

**[20:54]** his character was consistent, and he was advocating, right? He was being there for the prisoners as you said. SubhanAllah, it stood out to me that I remember watching the press conference on Friday when you came out quickly, you know, in Jena.

**[21:10]** By the way, for those of you that don't know about the history of Jena, Louisiana, I'm from Louisiana, Jena is a place that is notorious for racism. It's one of the most racist cities in Louisiana. That's saying a lot as to what's happened in that place. Some of you might remember the Jena 6, 19 years ago,

**[21:26]** there's a whole history and legacy there. And I remember in the press conference, the short time that you had, you talked about the prisoners on the inside. What perspective did you gain about prison in America and prisoners in America in that period that you didn't already know?

**[21:45]** You know, like you say this and everyone says this when they go in there, I knew it was bad, I didn't know it was this bad. Liqaa mentioned this, subhanAllah, she says this, she says like, she said in Arabic that, you know, I used to, like I used to think of myself as someone who knows politics

**[22:02]** and who knows America very well. But she's like, this showed me a side of America that like, I was only like 5% of diagnosing how bad it actually is. So what did this teach you about prison and prisoners in America?

**[22:20]** No, Liqaa is absolutely right. And I mean, the moment I got into Jena, like I couldn't, I was shocked because I never imagined that such injustices happen like around us,

**[22:39]** happen on or happen on US soil. Because we only see, you know, the rule of law, the democracy and the constitution. And we never think about what happens behind the walls of,

**[22:57]** especially ICE detention, because it might be a little bit different in federal court, but in ICE detention, because the government acts with impunity, that those immigrants, no one cares about them.

**[23:14]** They don't have a Congress member to actually advocate on their behalf. And just the fact, the moment I entered that facility, I knew that I have no rights whatsoever. Even when I talk to other detainees who were languishing there for years,

**[23:32]** and they don't know like what will happen next with their case. So, and similar to Liqaa, like I thought myself to be, you know, like very well informed about like US politics,

**[23:49]** about what's happening around me. But never in my life, I had the thought that all these grave injustices happening around us and we are silent about them.

**[24:04]** And especially now when it's becoming more and more obvious and more and more in the media, I don't think there would be like a justification like for us to remain silent when we see such injustices happening around us.

**[24:25]** And that made me feel, you know, sometimes they tell you, you are in America, you are very far from all these injustices. Why do you care about what's happening in Palestine and Congo and Sudan? But believe me, injustices are at our doors.

**[24:41]** And it only take a minute for us to be impacted by these injustices. That's why I feel the responsibility to act and to actually continue speaking up about these injustices.

**[24:58]** I love the ICE detention center that you were in, because they're not all the same, right? Like people will get thrown from one to the other. You've got the ICE detention centers that are kind of like situated in the middle of like cities and people just drive past them.

**[25:14]** They don't realize they're right off their highway. It's kind of the sickness that we're living through, is that right off that exit, you've got a Walmart, you have a weapons manufacturer, you have an ICE detention center, but they're unmarked buildings and you're not paying attention to what they actually are. And then a lot of these ICE detention centers are in the middle of nowhere,

**[25:31]** literally out of sight, out of mind. And I actually looked into the history of the one that you were in, and it used to be a juvenile detention center, right? But it was deemed to be unfit to be a juvenile detention center

**[25:50]** because immigrants in particular don't have any access to basic rights, right? Like what are they going to complain about? They're aliens. They don't have legal support. I don't want to let you call your lawyer. What are you going to do about it? I don't want to let you call your family, right? They're able to just take it that much further

**[26:07]** when it comes to our brothers and sisters that are in these cells. And I think that if Muslims were made aware of what's happening to people there and recognizing that just as Americans, the average American is having this wake-up call

**[26:24]** that maybe the people of Gaza are not who we thought they were. Maybe Palestinians are not these subhuman beings that we thought they were. Maybe Muslims will start waking up a bit and realizing like maybe these people in these ICE detention centers are not who we've been taught they are.

**[26:41]** Maybe these people that are being abducted are not just opportunists that jumped the fence and came here because they wanted to make a little bit of extra money and that deserved this treatment. Maybe they're not who we thought they were, right? Maybe it'll open their minds a bit. And I want to ask you to like give us like a human story.

**[26:59]** You know, subhanAllah, Imam Ahmad (rahimahullah), when he was in prison, he said one of the people that benefited him the most was an alcoholic because he said that, he told me that when you get flogged, he said that after the fifth or sixth time, you don't feel it anymore. And he said he was right. You kind of get numb to the flogging, right? And he said there was an alcoholic that helped me to kind of understand.

**[27:18]** Can you tell us a story of like someone in prison that left an impact on you? You know, like maybe that wouldn't on the outside look like the most ideal person to be a teacher. Like al-hikmah dallat al-mu'min, right? Like wisdom is the lost property of the believer. So he seeks it.

**[27:33]** Is there like a story you can share of like someone who you met or you got to know in prison that kind of can give us like a human component to them? I mean, you know, in prison, one of the main things you do is to share stories with others,

**[27:49]** like just to spend time. Because you have 24 hours, the clock like passes very, very, very slowly. And I still remember like the story of an Egyptian father of four

**[28:04]** whose wife is battling cancer outside. And the oldest of these four is 11 years old. And I can see his name is Mohib.

**[28:24]** I can see Mohib, you know, like only caring about his like, his children and to get just medications for his wife.

**[28:42]** But still like he was trying, like even from prison, like to call different organizations just to try to find medications for his wife.

**[28:59]** Like he was not caring about himself as a person, whether he would be deported, whether he would be just like languished there for four months. And, you know, like subhanAllah, when you see like that, someone is, someone's struggle is so huge to the point that really his wife is battling like death.

**[29:25]** And he has to spend this time in prison, not fighting for himself, but actually fighting for his loved ones. It's just to me, you know, these,

**[29:43]** it just like gives me so much of not only anger at the system, but also like faith in our ability to care, to care for others beyond ourselves.

**[29:59]** And Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala free him, Mohib, and grant his wife shifa and 'afiyah. And all those unnamed people, subhanAllah, that like we don't, they don't get the attention that others get. And I could tell that actually frustrated you, by the way,

**[30:14]** that it became so much Mahmoud Khalil, Mahmoud Khalil. And you kept on saying that there are other people. May Allah reward you. I could see it that you kept on trying to shine the light back on them because it's not just you, right? You became the face of a cause in that process.

**[30:31]** And you wanted to make sure that people knew about that cause. So I don't want to take too much longer from your time. Just a few things that I'll ask you. In conclusion, if you were to sort of capture who was Mahmoud Khalil before he went to prison?

**[30:49]** And who are you after prison? Like what changed about you through this experience? What would you say? Well, that's a very difficult question, Shaykh. I mean, you know,

**[31:05]** I would say like before or after, like I'm still like a Palestinian. Like I'm still someone who cares about his people. And someone who wouldn't be silent in the face of injustice.

**[31:24]** And that remains the same even after. It's just now I have, or this experience solidified like my belief, my faith. And my faith in our work that what we're doing is righteous.

**[31:41]** That we are actually winning. And that explains the extent that those in power went to, like the overreach in order to silence us. And as you said, it was never about me.

**[31:56]** It's about what I represent. It's about making. An example out of me so other people would fear and would remain silent. MashaAllah. You guys can clap for that. Absolutely.

**[32:16]** What would you say to Muslims who are now afraid to protest? You're talking to your brothers and sisters. Some of them are like, you know, it's crazy time. Our president is a majnoon bi ma'na al-kalimah. I hope you win your lawsuit against him.

**[32:33]** Maybe you can donate to Yaqeen and Miftah. But may Allah Azza wa Jalla grant you victory in that too. But what would you say to brothers and sisters that are like, I don't know, or parents who, out of genuine love and care for their kids, don't want to let them protest anymore.

**[32:51]** Like, give them a message inshaAllah ta'ala about, you know, what they should continue to do after this all. No, the fear is very real and we would be naive if we did not fear for our loved ones and for our livelihoods.

**[33:10]** But once again, one of the pillars of Islam is justice. And, you know, Sayyidina Muhammad (ﷺ) was sent as a messenger to bring justice on earth.

**[33:29]** And this is what we should continue to do, like to just to call for justice and to care about our brothers and sisters. And my message is to have actually a one ummah, to be united because we have power.

**[33:47]** And I truly believe that if we use this power, the power of our collective, we can impact so much of policies in this country and around the world.

**[34:03]** And, you know, our sacrifices and in comparison, and I hate to compare to the sacrifices of Palestinians, whether in Gaza or across Palestine, is nothing.

**[34:23]** What's a paycheck? What's a title? What is a position? What's a degree in front of all these injustices that's happening against our people?

**[34:39]** Jazakallahu khairan. May Allah protect you. May Allah shield you and your family from the harm that they wish to do to you. May Allah grant you victory in your pursuit.

**[34:55]** May Allah free our brothers and sisters that are still in prison. And may Allah give victory to the brothers and sisters that we've been protesting for in Gaza. May Allah allow all of us to see a free Masjid al-Aqsa.

**[35:11]** And may Allah allow us to pray in the first row as liberators. And may Allah reward you for all of your sacrifice in the process. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. And please continue to keep us in your du'a and keep our sister Liqaa in your du'a and in your action as well, because she really needs that.

**[35:36]** And thank you so much, Shaykh Omar. Thank you, everyone.

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- [The Du'a of Yunus Under the Rubble | Gaza Diaries](https://yaqeeninstitute.org/watch/series/gaza-diaries/the-dua-of-yunus-under-the-rubble-gaza-diaries.md)
- ["If You Hear Bombing, Say Alhamdulilah" | Gaza Diaries](https://yaqeeninstitute.org/watch/series/gaza-diaries/if-you-hear-bombing-say-alhamdulilah-gaza-diaries.md)
- [Nasser Hospital to Biden Walkout | Gaza Diaries](https://yaqeeninstitute.org/watch/series/gaza-diaries/nasser-hospital-to-biden-walkout-gaza-diaries.md)
